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Toilets on trains: Some issues that need attention

October 18, 2014, Economic Times Blog
Ever since the Railway Committee started its work, whenever people run into me, even if it is at a social occasion, they buttonhole me and offer suggestions about what should be done to improve the Railways. This is understandable and desirable, since it is a manifestation of interest in the Railways. Often, though not always, these are complaints about passenger amenities, or their lack, and suggestions about improving these. Passenger amenities are only one aspect of improving the Railways, though this is visible, and is representative of most citizen interface with the Railways. Toilets figure towards the top of any average complaint list, toilets in stations and toilets on trains. For the moment, let me confine myself to toilets on trains. As everyone knows, Indian trains began to function from 1853. But toilets on trains had to wait till 1909. There is an oft-quoted, and therefore somewhat clichéd letter, written by Okhil Chandra Sen to the Deputy Superintendent of Sahibganj in 1909, familiar to all those who know about Indian railway history. The original letter is in the National Railway Museum, Delhi. This led to the introduction of toilets on trains.
Here is that self-explanatory letter. “Dear Sir, I am arrive by passenger train Ahmedpur station and my belly is too much swelling with jackfruit. I am therefore went to privy. Just I doing the nuisance that guard making whistle blow for train to go off and I am running with LOTAH in one hand & DHOTI in the next when I am fall over & expose all my shocking to men & female women on platform. I am got leaved Ahmedpur station. This too much bad, if passenger go to make dung that dam guard not wait train minutes for him. I am therefor pray your honour to make big fine on that guard for public sake. Otherwise I am making big report to papers.” Sahibganj (in Jharkhand) has seen better days, from the Railway point of view. It is no longer on the Howrah-Delhi main line. Ahmedpur is in West Bengal and Mr Sen must have travelled along the Bardhman-Sainthia section of what is called the Sahibganj loop.
IR (Indian Railways) has around 50,000 passenger coaches, a little less than 50,000 if you exclude EMUs (electric multiple units), a little more than 50,000 if you include EMUs. So these have to be fitted with toilets, say 4 per coach. This blog is only about toilets, not about cleaning and maintaining them. If it’s a short-distance train, you might legitimately argue you don’t need 4 toilets per coach. 2 might do and you might make them even more basic than those required for long-distance. Traditionally, IR toilets have provided for water and the waste has been discharged onto tracks. That’s a terrible idea from the sanitation point of view, especially when on a train is at a station. Tracks are corroded and so are fittings on the under-carriages. Why can’t we have toilets on trains that are like those in the West? What about the West? In some places in the West, you have what are called controlled discharge toilets (CDTs). These store waste in tanks and discharge them when the train attains a minimum speed. Three problems with these. First, you are still discharging on tracks, which is what you want to avoid. Second, these require trains to attain a minimum speed. Sometimes, trains don’t pick up that minimum speed at all.
Alternatively, at the other end, when a station has a long platform, the discharge begins before the train has left the station. Third, CDTs don’t work well when people use water, as opposed to toilet paper. Hence, no CDTs, though they have been used on Rajdhani, Shatabdi and Duranto. Almost 3000 coaches have actually been fitted with CDTs. Moving on, at best, on better trains (where people don’t use that much water), you can have tanks that don’t discharge, but have tanks that are cleaned. This is what happens with planes. However, with the large number of passengers who travel on trains, this won’t work except on short-distance trains, and those where people are unlikely to use water. Even if this were to be attempted, coaches need redesigning.
Therefore, IR has now veered around to bio-toilets, designed with DRDO collaboration. Bacteria decompose the waste. Some stuff is released as carbon dioxide and methane into the atmosphere. Whatever is left is chlorinated and disinfected liquid that can be released onto the tracks. In tests, the effluent hasn’t had any toxic effects on rats and fish. Since 2011, almost 5,000 coaches have been fitted with these bio-toilets, on Express trains like GWL-BSB Bundelkhand, GHY-MAS Egmore, Indore-Gwalior, Lucknow-Mumbai Pushpak, Jammu Tawi-Indore, NZM-Indore Malwa, NZM-Indore Intercity, Mumbai-BSB Mahanagri and Kochuveli-Bangalore. These are like trial runs, though you may not have noticed them. There is a decision that all new coaches will have bio-toilets, a decision that will effectively be implemented from 2016-17. Sounds good, but there are a couple of problems. First, for a new coach (with 4 toilets), bio-toilets cost Rs 3 lakhs per coach. But for an old coach, which has to be retroactively fitted, it costs Rs 15 lakhs per coach. Among other things, because these toilets add to weight, and ordinary coaches are heavily loaded, the weldings/mountings fail. The coaches have to cut open, so that these can be reinforced. Assuming you can spare the coaches, that’s quite a sum of money. But there is a decision that from 2021-22, all coaches will have bio-toilets.
The second problem is more serious. People stuff other things into toilets – polythene bags, sanitary napkins, diapers, bottles, pouches. These aren’t always bio-degradable. In those trial runs, one coach per train has come back with this kind of problem. Sure, there are waste-bins outside toilets. But passengers don’t always use them. For sanitary napkins/diapers, you can’t reasonably expect passengers to come out and use those bins. You need bins inside toilets, like aircraft. But bins inside toilets stink, unless they are regularly cleaned. Therefore, you realize the broad problem. There are multiple kinds of passenger segments. It’s one thing to lick a problem for a train that travels for no more than 24 hours (even easier for 8 hours). It is another thing to lick a problem for a train than travels for 72 hours.

RTI – DMSRDE – GE MES

To,
Shri Sanjeev Kumar
GE (R&D),
Public Information Officer (PIO)
MES, DMSRDE, GT Road
Kanpur-208013                

Subject: Application under Right to Information Act 2005

Sir,

Kindly provide the following information under RTI Act 2005.

INFORMATION SOUGHT

  1. The date on which Ex-Director, DMSRDE, Kanpur Dr. KU Bhasker Rao vacated/handed over the R&D House (Director’s Residence) to   MES, DMSRDE, Kanpur.
  2. Provide copy of vacation report of R&D House submitted by MES to Estate & Works Division, DMSRDE after vacation of accommodation by Dr. KU Bhasker Rao.
  3. Provide copies of the original internal map/Engg. Drawing of R&D House
  1. on the date when Dr. KU Bhasker Rao vacated the R&D House.
  2. on the date when Dr. A.K. Saxena take over the possession of R&D House.
  1. Whether any structural alterations/changes have been made in R&D House after vacation of R&D House by Ex-Director Dr. KU Bhasker Rao. (Yes/No)
  2. If Yes then provide the details of structural alterations/changes that have been made in R&D House after vacation by Dr. KUB Rao.
  3. Total expenditure incurred in making structural alterations/changes and non-structural alterations/changes in building of R&D House by MES/DMSRDE after vacation of R&D House by Dr. KUB  Rao in following format.
S.N. Actual work carried out Expenditure Amount Nature of work (Major/Minor) Structural/Non-Structural Sanctioning Authority

 

  1. Provide the rules of DRDO or MES or any other Government rules under the provisions of which structural alteration/changes was made in R&D House (Director’s Residence), DMSRDE, Kanpur during the period between the date of vacation of R&D House by Dr. KUB Rao and prior to the date of taking over R&D House by Dr. A.K. Saxena.
  2.  Whether any request was made by Dr. A. K. Saxena , Director or  Estate & Works Division to GE(R&D), MES for making structural alterations /changes in R& D House (Director’s Residence), DMSRDE in 2011-2012
  3. Details of sanctioning authority that sanctioned major works and minor works for making structural alterations/changes in R&D House, DMSRDE, Kanpur with name, designation and authority by which he sanctioned.
  4. Provide the details of non-structural changes made in R&D House after the said accommodation was vacated by ex-Director Dr. KU Bhasker Rao and take over by Dr. A.K. Saxena.
  5. Total expenditure incurred in making structural alterations/changes in R&D House in 2011-2012
  6. Total expenditure incurred in making non-structural alterations/changes in R&D House in 2011-2012.
  7. Whether non-structural changes were made on request of occupant of R&D House Dr. A.K. Saxena. (Yes/No)
  8. If yes then provide the copy of letter of request by Dr. A.K. Saxena for making non-structural changes in R&D House.
  9. Whether 10% of total expenditure on non-structural changes was taken from Dr. A.K. Saxena. (Yes/No)
  10. If yes then how much amount was deposited by Dr. A.K. Saxena to MES for the said work?

This is to inform that information sought is pertaining to allegations of corruption and as such not exempted u/s 24(1) of RTI Act 2005.

An IPO of Rs. 10/- as application fee (IPO No. 16F 966242) is enclosed as Annexure-1.

Date: 20th August, 2013                                                                                         
 ( J P. Sharma)
Advocate
Chamber No.64, First floor
Opposite Bar Council Office, Court Compound
Dehradun-248001
Uttarakhand                    
Annexure:-
  1. IPO of Rs. 10/- , with IPO No. 16F 966242 as application Fee.    

RTI – DMSRDE- PCDA (R&D)

To,                                                                                                                   20th August 2013
Dr. Jairaj Naik, IDAS
Jt. CDA, CPIO
O/o PCDA (R&D), West Block
R.K. Puram
New Delhi-110066

Subject: Application /Request under Right to Information Act 2005

Sir,

Kindly provide the following information under section 2(f), 2(i), 2(j) and 6(1) of RTI Act 2005.

INFORMATION SOUGHT

  1. Provide the details of bills passed for payments of third party (Vendor/ supplier /Firms) claims forwarded by DMSRDE, Kanpur by O/o PCDA (R&D), New Delhi and O/o AO (R&D), ACDA, DMSRDE, Kanpur for the period 01/01/2011 to 31/07/2013 for the amount between One lakh to Fifty lakh for purchase of store and services with following information in each bill.
  • Particulars of store (item purchased) and service hired
  • Particular of vendor/firm to which payment was made(Cheque issued)
  • Amount of bill/cheque issued
  • Date of payment
  • Mode of tendering- Single/Single with PAC/Limited/Open
  • Whether repeat order(Yes/No)

2.    Details of all bills passed and cheque issued by AO(R&D), ACDA, DMSRDE, Kanpur and O/o PCDA(R&D) in favour of SM Pulp Packaging Pvt Ltd., New Delhi/ SM Carapace Armor, New Delhi with following information.

  • Particular of store (item purchased) and services hired.
  • Amount of bill
  • Date of payment/ cheque issued
  • Mode of Tendering- Single/Single with PAC/Repeat Order/Limited /Open
  1. In one year how many repeat order can be issued as per Purchase Manual 2006 of DRDO/Any other Govt. Rules in case of
  • Store
  • Services
  1. Whether repeat orders could be issued in case of services/AMC/ services hired like hired vehicle for transport etc as per PM 2006. (Yes/No)
  2. If answer to point (4) is yes then provide the copy of said rule.
  3. Whether M/s SM Pulp Packaging Pvt Ltd/SM Carapace Armor/or any other subsidiary of SM Group is registered with DMSRDE, Kanpur or with HEMRL, Pune (Yes/No)
  4. If answer to point (6) is yes then provide copy of registration certificate issued by DMSRDE, Kanpur or HEMRL, Pune.
  5. Provide the details/category under which any subsidiary firm under SM Group New Delhi like SM Pulp/SM Carapace is registered with HEMRL / DMSRDE as per Rule 3.2 of PM 2006.
  6. If registered at HEMRL/DMSRDE then date of registration.
  7. Copies of Supply Orders issued to SM Pulp Packaging/SM Carapace Armor for the Financial years
    1. 2010-2011
    2. 2011-2012
    3. 2012-2013
  1. Inspection of documents/records for passing the bills of SM Pulp Packaging and SM Carapace Armor , New Delhi for the FY 2010-2011, 2012-2013 and 2012-2013.

An IPO of Rs. 10 No. 16F 966245 is enclosed as application fee.

Date – 20th August 2013
 ( J P. Sharma)
Advocate
Chamber No.64, First floor
Opposite Bar Council Office
      Court Compound
Dehradun-248001
Uttarakhand                    
Copy to
Shri V.N. Singh, ACDA
AO (R&D), DMSRDE, GT Road, Kanpur-208013

RTI- DMSRDE – 7

To,                                                                                                           20th  August 2013
Shri Sarvesh Kumar
Scientist ‘F’
Central Public Information Officer (CPIO)
DMSRDE, GT Road
Kanpur-20801           

Subject: Application under Right to Information Act 2005

Sir,

This is with reference to Rule 18 of CCS (Conducts) Rules 1964 and information about Immovable Property Return (IPR) available on DRDO website (drdo.gov.in). Kindly provide the following information under RTI Act 2005.

INFORMATION SOUGHT

  1. Details of movable, immovable and valuable property as submitted by Dr. A.K. Saxena, Director, DMSRDE under the rule 18(1) (i) of CCS (Conduct) Rules 1964.
  2. Provide copy of return of assets and liabilities of Dr. A.K. Saxena as submitted by him under rule 18(1) (i) of CCS (Conduct) Rules 1964.
  3. Provide copies of Annual Immovable Property Return (IPR) submitted by Dr. A.K. Saxena under  rule 18(1)(ii) of CCS(Conduct) Rules 1964 for the years
  • 2010
  • 2011
  • 2012
  • 2013

4.   Details of all the immovable properties acquired till 31 July, 2013 under rule 18 of CCS(Conduct) Rules 1964 by    Dr. A. K. Saxena, Director, DMSRDE  with  following information

  • Full details about location viz. Municipal No. Street/Village, Taluk, District and State in which situated
  • Purchase value of property
  •  Sources from which financed

5.    Details of all the movable properties acquired till 31 July, 2013 under rule 18 of CCS(Conduct) Rules 1964 by Dr. A. K. Saxena, Director, DMSRDE with following information.

  • Description of the property i.e. Car / Scooter / Motor Cycle / Refrigerator/ Computer/ Laptop/Bank account /shares /investments /Jewellery/loans/Insurance policies etc
  • Make, Model and also registration No. in case of vehicles, where necessary
  • Purchase price of the property (Market value in the case of gifts
  1. Provide copies of final intimation in form under rule 18(2) after purchase of the all immovable properties and in form under rule 18(3) after purchase of all the movable properties under Rule 18 of CCS (Conduct) Rules 1964 in respect of Dr. A.K. Saxena, Director, DMSRDE, Kanpur.
  2. Provide details of family members/dependent for CGHS, LTC etc purpose under rule 2(c) of CCS (Conduct) Rules 1964.

This is to inform that Central Information Commission in its various decisions consistently held that establishment matters relating to the organization notified u/s 24 of the RTI Act come within the purview of the Act and information in this regard thereto are not exempted from disclosure. F. No. CIC/LS/A/2010/000107 dated 26.4.2010 and F. No.CIC/SM/C/2008/ 00054/LS dated 29.01.2010.

The information sought in this RTI Application is on Establishment Matter and as such not exempted u/s 24 of the RTI Act.

An IPO of Rs. 10/- as application fee (IPO No.16 F 966251) is enclosed as Annexure-1.

Date:20th August, 2013                                                                              

( J P. Sharma)
Advocate
Chamber No.64, First floor
Opposite Bar Council Office, Court Compound
Dehradun-248001
Uttarakhand                    
Annexure:-
  1. IPO of Rs. 10/- , with IPO No. 16 F 966251 as application Fee.